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	<title>Comments on: IPT 692R Notes &#8211; Tues Jan 13, 2009</title>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jared Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Jared Stein</dc:creator>
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		<description>@Betsy Thanks! I&#039;m glad to post these.


@Jeremy Yeah, the opening quote was subtly referenced throughout, though I must admit I was too slow to benefit from the full impact of it. I think the primary thrust was to warn us away from just doing things without proper forethought and motivation.


Re. opportunity vs. obligation, I can&#039;t point to anything precisely, though I&#039;ve read a number of writers and bloggers and left-leaning scholars speak about society&#039;s obligation to educate &lt;em&gt;and socialize&lt;/em&gt; youth, and that&#039;s what I was getting at. It&#039;s not a new concept. Off the top of my head I was thinking of an article that argues teaching intellectual subjects as well as moral subjects, a passage in Christiansen&#039;s book &quot;Disrupting Class&quot;, and the now infamous long, video post by Stephen Downes against home-schooling, and, really, against parental control over their children&#039;s education (I think the phrase he used was &quot;parents do not own their children&quot;).  Again, I can&#039;t point to any specific posts off the top of my head, but I would expect the antithesis of that position might be found on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.matthewktabor.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matthew K. Tabor&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Betsy Thanks! I&#8217;m glad to post these.</p>
<p>@Jeremy Yeah, the opening quote was subtly referenced throughout, though I must admit I was too slow to benefit from the full impact of it. I think the primary thrust was to warn us away from just doing things without proper forethought and motivation.</p>
<p>Re. opportunity vs. obligation, I can&#8217;t point to anything precisely, though I&#8217;ve read a number of writers and bloggers and left-leaning scholars speak about society&#8217;s obligation to educate <em>and socialize</em> youth, and that&#8217;s what I was getting at. It&#8217;s not a new concept. Off the top of my head I was thinking of an article that argues teaching intellectual subjects as well as moral subjects, a passage in Christiansen&#8217;s book &#8220;Disrupting Class&#8221;, and the now infamous long, video post by Stephen Downes against home-schooling, and, really, against parental control over their children&#8217;s education (I think the phrase he used was &#8220;parents do not own their children&#8221;).  Again, I can&#8217;t point to any specific posts off the top of my head, but I would expect the antithesis of that position might be found on <a href="http://www.matthewktabor.com/" rel="nofollow">Matthew K. Tabor&#8217;s blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m following David&#039;s course from a distance, and your summary really helps. (BTW, try to convince David to live-broadcast a class or two via justin.tv or something.)

A few notes: 1. I like that opening quote, but I don&#039;t see it reflected much in your notes. Were there occasions where someone opened up for the wrong reasons? I blogged about that almost 3 years ago: http://brownelearning.org/blog/?p=41 .

Also, do you have any more resources on the opportunity vs. obligation distinction? I&#039;m familiar with the rights vs. entitlements discussion (the right to marry doesn&#039;t entitle me to a wife), but that&#039;s not the same as what you wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m following David&#8217;s course from a distance, and your summary really helps. (BTW, try to convince David to live-broadcast a class or two via justin.tv or something.)</p>
<p>A few notes: 1. I like that opening quote, but I don&#8217;t see it reflected much in your notes. Were there occasions where someone opened up for the wrong reasons? I blogged about that almost 3 years ago: <a href="http://brownelearning.org/blog/?p=41" rel="nofollow">http://brownelearning.org/blog/?p=41</a> .</p>
<p>Also, do you have any more resources on the opportunity vs. obligation distinction? I&#8217;m familiar with the rights vs. entitlements discussion (the right to marry doesn&#8217;t entitle me to a wife), but that&#8217;s not the same as what you wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your helpful summary! I should be well prepared to watch the slideshow now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your helpful summary! I should be well prepared to watch the slideshow now.</p>
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